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		<title>By: SedOwerse</title>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.whynotrachel.com/2008/10/22/abduction-of-innocence/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use the word transformation. So does Judith Herman in her book Trauma &#38; Recovery. Taking something yucky and transforming it into something good or that helps to get unstuck. Many memories of child abuse end the same way...feeling helpless, hopeless, overpowered. Often I used the imagery of B.S. Literally. It was such B.S. and beyond. But I'd imagine that huge pile of B.S. as manure melting into the ground creating a fertile environment for growing something new. I used that with clients as well. Whatever was to grow they would see internally. Some grew oak trees (great symbol of strength), others weeping willows to help with the grief while representing beautiful life.

Even my life. I transformed the yuck of the past into teaching/helping others to get through the same yuck with the tools I was taught plus a great degree program. Trauma does change you forever. Great question to reflect. What needs to be done to get from the yuck to the growth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the word transformation. So does Judith Herman in her book Trauma &amp; Recovery. Taking something yucky and transforming it into something good or that helps to get unstuck. Many memories of child abuse end the same way&#8230;feeling helpless, hopeless, overpowered. Often I used the imagery of B.S. Literally. It was such B.S. and beyond. But I&#8217;d imagine that huge pile of B.S. as manure melting into the ground creating a fertile environment for growing something new. I used that with clients as well. Whatever was to grow they would see internally. Some grew oak trees (great symbol of strength), others weeping willows to help with the grief while representing beautiful life.</p>
<p>Even my life. I transformed the yuck of the past into teaching/helping others to get through the same yuck with the tools I was taught plus a great degree program. Trauma does change you forever. Great question to reflect. What needs to be done to get from the yuck to the growth?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan K. Frost</title>
		<link>http://www.whynotrachel.com/2008/10/22/abduction-of-innocence/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan K. Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know there is another loss of innocence happening now in this credit meltdown.  We've lived above our means as a nation for 20 years, consuming more than we produce.  A lot of pain is coming down the pike that people are not ready for.  Unrest, revolution, war all grow from the seed you describe, trying to get back what is gone forever.  I believe it comes from seeking someone to blame rather than, as you so clearly state, accepting that change and awaiting the sweet juice of life that is the only reliable source of self-protection.

I actually got an e-mail invitation to a "millionaires club" this morning that suggested I should be "ecstatic" and "transformational" all the time now that the economy is in trouble and if I send a check for........they will show me how.  OMG!  I am blogging and writing about how to think about and have more money and your blog articulates the sound emotional core that I hope I can write about in terms of money, where there is so much hooey and BS being spread around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know there is another loss of innocence happening now in this credit meltdown.  We&#8217;ve lived above our means as a nation for 20 years, consuming more than we produce.  A lot of pain is coming down the pike that people are not ready for.  Unrest, revolution, war all grow from the seed you describe, trying to get back what is gone forever.  I believe it comes from seeking someone to blame rather than, as you so clearly state, accepting that change and awaiting the sweet juice of life that is the only reliable source of self-protection.</p>
<p>I actually got an e-mail invitation to a &#8220;millionaires club&#8221; this morning that suggested I should be &#8220;ecstatic&#8221; and &#8220;transformational&#8221; all the time now that the economy is in trouble and if I send a check for&#8230;&#8230;..they will show me how.  OMG!  I am blogging and writing about how to think about and have more money and your blog articulates the sound emotional core that I hope I can write about in terms of money, where there is so much hooey and BS being spread around.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan K. Frost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan K. Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The collage is stunning, bleak around the edges and coming to a clear, still point in the center.  It so exactly mirrors what you are writing about.

As I take in the piece, I am thinking about how important it is to remain open, to mourn without fear of falling apart, to eschew self-protection, because it really doesn't protect.

I think that is implicit in what you are saying....letting the real way people have loved us be present without fear that missing them will cause us to fall apart.

My favorite book after my mother died was "A Grief Observed" by CS Lewis.  He condensed thousands of pages of anguished journaling into a slim book of 62 pages that recounted how his late-in-life 3-year marriage to a close friend dying of cancer completely upended his intellectualization of life and faith.  I believe he said that that love was greater than all the writing he had devoted his life to, that all the writing of religious faith he so passionately did was nothing compared to loving an individual person...and yet at the end of the book he wrote of his acceptance that she was no longer here, that she had other work to do now.  He was able to let go of her as she was and let something new be there in his heart.

Hewing to that openness is quite a project.  Your post makes me realize that I have been slacking off.  What a wonderful way you have of expressing yourself, both visually and with words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The collage is stunning, bleak around the edges and coming to a clear, still point in the center.  It so exactly mirrors what you are writing about.</p>
<p>As I take in the piece, I am thinking about how important it is to remain open, to mourn without fear of falling apart, to eschew self-protection, because it really doesn&#8217;t protect.</p>
<p>I think that is implicit in what you are saying&#8230;.letting the real way people have loved us be present without fear that missing them will cause us to fall apart.</p>
<p>My favorite book after my mother died was &#8220;A Grief Observed&#8221; by CS Lewis.  He condensed thousands of pages of anguished journaling into a slim book of 62 pages that recounted how his late-in-life 3-year marriage to a close friend dying of cancer completely upended his intellectualization of life and faith.  I believe he said that that love was greater than all the writing he had devoted his life to, that all the writing of religious faith he so passionately did was nothing compared to loving an individual person&#8230;and yet at the end of the book he wrote of his acceptance that she was no longer here, that she had other work to do now.  He was able to let go of her as she was and let something new be there in his heart.</p>
<p>Hewing to that openness is quite a project.  Your post makes me realize that I have been slacking off.  What a wonderful way you have of expressing yourself, both visually and with words.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth LaMie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth LaMie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an awesome posting, Rachel. Your references to Persephone, 9/11 and your art piece are very thought-provoking.

Also a glimmer of hope that life will go on after a tragedy. Although it will be different, ultimately it may eventually be better in some ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an awesome posting, Rachel. Your references to Persephone, 9/11 and your art piece are very thought-provoking.</p>
<p>Also a glimmer of hope that life will go on after a tragedy. Although it will be different, ultimately it may eventually be better in some ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patricia,
&#62;&#62;&#62;the only way over the grief was through it.&#60;&#60;&#62;&#62; I have so much resistance to giving in to the feelings.&#60;&#60;&#60;
Ah resistance...As you know Patricia, and for those of you who don't know, there's a Queen in the art of dealing with resistance, her name is Barbara Sher. Look her up! http://geniuspress.com.

Barbara is a New York Times Best Selling Author and in her book “I Could Do Anything if I Only Knew What it Was” she has an exercise  she calls “Jet Clarity” to help you lock on to that resistance.  Brilliant stuff.

You can find the book in any bookstore and I highly recommend it.
Rachel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patricia,<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;the only way over the grief was through it.&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt; I have so much resistance to giving in to the feelings.&lt;&lt;&lt;<br />
Ah resistance&#8230;As you know Patricia, and for those of you who don&#8217;t know, there&#8217;s a Queen in the art of dealing with resistance, her name is Barbara Sher. Look her up! <a href="http://geniuspress.com" rel="nofollow">http://geniuspress.com</a>.</p>
<p>Barbara is a New York Times Best Selling Author and in her book “I Could Do Anything if I Only Knew What it Was” she has an exercise  she calls “Jet Clarity” to help you lock on to that resistance.  Brilliant stuff.</p>
<p>You can find the book in any bookstore and I highly recommend it.<br />
Rachel</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,
I thought this conversation might hit people very close to home.  Thank you for being willing to talk about it.

This is a good place for me to say that just because you have “chaptered forward” doesn't mean that experiences of past chapters are not with and of you.  What you “make of” what's happened in your past is what creates you as you chapter forward.

We'll talk more about this in upcoming posts.
Rachel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,<br />
I thought this conversation might hit people very close to home.  Thank you for being willing to talk about it.</p>
<p>This is a good place for me to say that just because you have “chaptered forward” doesn&#8217;t mean that experiences of past chapters are not with and of you.  What you “make of” what&#8217;s happened in your past is what creates you as you chapter forward.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll talk more about this in upcoming posts.<br />
Rachel</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom Rachel.

My father died unexpectedly  when I was 35.
His death was a devastating shock. A friend of my husband's, someone I really didn't know very well,  sent me a card with a very simple, yet profound statement. He said, as hard as it is, the only way over the grief was through it.

It is so strange, but I think very much human nature, to think that if we ignore the grief we can just get over it and move on. Or that if we give into it, we won't be able to handle it and it will shatter us. And yet, the only way to move on, is to really go in to it.

Even knowing this, I have so much resistence to giving in to the feelings. And, I am always surprised that when I do follow it to the depths of the well, there is an unexpected gift, that is the sweetness that comes in the surrender to life.
Patricia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom Rachel.</p>
<p>My father died unexpectedly  when I was 35.<br />
His death was a devastating shock. A friend of my husband&#8217;s, someone I really didn&#8217;t know very well,  sent me a card with a very simple, yet profound statement. He said, as hard as it is, the only way over the grief was through it.</p>
<p>It is so strange, but I think very much human nature, to think that if we ignore the grief we can just get over it and move on. Or that if we give into it, we won&#8217;t be able to handle it and it will shatter us. And yet, the only way to move on, is to really go in to it.</p>
<p>Even knowing this, I have so much resistence to giving in to the feelings. And, I am always surprised that when I do follow it to the depths of the well, there is an unexpected gift, that is the sweetness that comes in the surrender to life.<br />
Patricia</p>
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