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	<title>Comments on: Governor David Paterson: A Perspective Check</title>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.whynotrachel.com/2008/12/18/governor-david-paterson-a-perspective-check/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right Beth, life is too short...Pick and chose your fights.

You said:
&gt;&gt;&gt;In all seriousness, I am totally impressed by what people with disabilities (like Paterson and our very own Rachel) have accomplished. Is it in spite of a disability or because of it?&lt;&lt;&lt;

You brought up something so key to my message Beth that I 
can't miss this opportunity to address your comment. 

I would like to think that Paterson, myself and other PWD are doing what we do not "in spite of or because of" our  disabilities." We are doing things that you find impressive because we are doing them well. If you're impressed and our work is shotty, you are doing us and everyone else a disservice.     

A disability is just the parameters someone needs to work with to articulate their dreams. Be impressed when someone has found a creative  way to express their dreams for themselves and done it well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Beth, life is too short&#8230;Pick and chose your fights.</p>
<p>You said:<br />
>>>In all seriousness, I am totally impressed by what people with disabilities (like Paterson and our very own Rachel) have accomplished. Is it in spite of a disability or because of it?<<<</p>
<p>You brought up something so key to my message Beth that I<br />
can&#8217;t miss this opportunity to address your comment. </p>
<p>I would like to think that Paterson, myself and other PWD are doing what we do not &#8220;in spite of or because of&#8221; our  disabilities.&#8221; We are doing things that you find impressive because we are doing them well. If you&#8217;re impressed and our work is shotty, you are doing us and everyone else a disservice.     </p>
<p>A disability is just the parameters someone needs to work with to articulate their dreams. Be impressed when someone has found a creative  way to express their dreams for themselves and done it well.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth LaMie</title>
		<link>http://www.whynotrachel.com/2008/12/18/governor-david-paterson-a-perspective-check/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth LaMie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the best comedians in the world are the ones who can laugh at themselves. If we can't take a joke, regardless of our situations, then we are taking ourselves too seriously.

Life is too short to not enjoy a good laugh, wherever it comes from. It just would have been so much better if SNL had created a really funny skit instead of going half way.

In all seriousness, I am totally impressed by what people with disabilities (like Paterson and our very own Rachel) have accomplished. Is it in spite of a disability or because of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the best comedians in the world are the ones who can laugh at themselves. If we can&#8217;t take a joke, regardless of our situations, then we are taking ourselves too seriously.</p>
<p>Life is too short to not enjoy a good laugh, wherever it comes from. It just would have been so much better if SNL had created a really funny skit instead of going half way.</p>
<p>In all seriousness, I am totally impressed by what people with disabilities (like Paterson and our very own Rachel) have accomplished. Is it in spite of a disability or because of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Sternal (http://www.understandingmarketing.com) commented on twitter "I know lots of disabled that want no special treatment. Does that mean they are all fair game like the rest of us?"  

"Rest of us?" With an aging population the "rest of us" is going to be PWD (people with disabilities) not the other way around. That said, the sooner WE can laugh at OURSELVES the better. 

Humor is a place where lines are toyed with, that's why we laugh. Jokes can blur that separation between "us and them" thinking, because we see we are all easy to poke fun at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Sternal (http://www.understandingmarketing.com) commented on twitter &#8220;I know lots of disabled that want no special treatment. Does that mean they are all fair game like the rest of us?&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;Rest of us?&#8221; With an aging population the &#8220;rest of us&#8221; is going to be PWD (people with disabilities) not the other way around. That said, the sooner WE can laugh at OURSELVES the better. </p>
<p>Humor is a place where lines are toyed with, that&#8217;s why we laugh. Jokes can blur that separation between &#8220;us and them&#8221; thinking, because we see we are all easy to poke fun at.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Thiede</title>
		<link>http://www.whynotrachel.com/2008/12/18/governor-david-paterson-a-perspective-check/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Thiede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, if I remember correctly, the skit did attack Patterson's character, as it talked about his penchant for cocaine.  I don't know enough about NY politics to say whether this was fair or not.

But I do agree that it's progress when a person with a disability can be made fun of on the same plane with anyone else.  The skit made fun of him, specifically, not every blind person alive.  If he thinks it's off-base, he should respond as an individual.

I think if you try too hard to protect a certain group, you treat them like children.  I won't pretend I know what it's like to be blind, but it seems to me that kind of patronizing protection is more demeaning than the original joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, if I remember correctly, the skit did attack Patterson&#8217;s character, as it talked about his penchant for cocaine.  I don&#8217;t know enough about NY politics to say whether this was fair or not.</p>
<p>But I do agree that it&#8217;s progress when a person with a disability can be made fun of on the same plane with anyone else.  The skit made fun of him, specifically, not every blind person alive.  If he thinks it&#8217;s off-base, he should respond as an individual.</p>
<p>I think if you try too hard to protect a certain group, you treat them like children.  I won&#8217;t pretend I know what it&#8217;s like to be blind, but it seems to me that kind of patronizing protection is more demeaning than the original joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually was really glad to read the perspectives here.  It seems like every other day the disability community is up in arms about something someone said.  I agree words carry power, but really... haven't we got more important things to do? Violence, abuse, lack of support, isolation because we are seen as less than human. Is getting your panties in a wad really going to change how people think of disability and PWDs? Media makes fun of *everything*, and I for one am glad people are getting over treating us like glass enough to include us in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually was really glad to read the perspectives here.  It seems like every other day the disability community is up in arms about something someone said.  I agree words carry power, but really&#8230; haven&#8217;t we got more important things to do? Violence, abuse, lack of support, isolation because we are seen as less than human. Is getting your panties in a wad really going to change how people think of disability and PWDs? Media makes fun of *everything*, and I for one am glad people are getting over treating us like glass enough to include us in that.</p>
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		<title>By: susan kuhn frost</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan kuhn frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel I agree.  It is a sign of acceptance and arrival -- like when you are a new step-parent and the kids stop being stand-offish and start making fun of you.  It's good!  

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)is a great role model for a politician responding to ridicule.  She is very short and ordinary looking, single, Catholic school grad, was made royal fun of as she was making her way in politics in the 1970s; she laughed with those who make fun of her and had even better jokes to tell about herself.  This made her a beloved politician; people feel good about her and about about themselves being around her.  

Lighten up!  Being PC is a crutch that you don't need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel I agree.  It is a sign of acceptance and arrival &#8212; like when you are a new step-parent and the kids stop being stand-offish and start making fun of you.  It&#8217;s good!  </p>
<p>Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)is a great role model for a politician responding to ridicule.  She is very short and ordinary looking, single, Catholic school grad, was made royal fun of as she was making her way in politics in the 1970s; she laughed with those who make fun of her and had even better jokes to tell about herself.  This made her a beloved politician; people feel good about her and about about themselves being around her.  </p>
<p>Lighten up!  Being PC is a crutch that you don&#8217;t need.</p>
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		<title>By: FireHorse</title>
		<link>http://www.whynotrachel.com/2008/12/18/governor-david-paterson-a-perspective-check/#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>FireHorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't watched SNL for years, but I know I've seen cartoons, etc. of sighted individuals accidentally displaying a graph upside-down in the past. (On the other hand, those were always seen as commentary to the person's intelligence, so maybe that's why Gov. Paterson finds it offensive?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t watched SNL for years, but I know I&#8217;ve seen cartoons, etc. of sighted individuals accidentally displaying a graph upside-down in the past. (On the other hand, those were always seen as commentary to the person&#8217;s intelligence, so maybe that&#8217;s why Gov. Paterson finds it offensive?)</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
You raise some amazingly important points.
&gt;&gt;&gt;I think it’s even more dangerous when the powerful elected official decrying it is the subject himself of the joke. While he’s not calling for censorship, it’s dangerously close, when the person in the highest position in the state is criticizing the right of free people to say what they like.&lt;&lt;&lt;

He has, in his haste, done a disservice on a multitude of levels. I completely agree with you Mark.   


We also really do need to ask "why do we immediately attribute satire to intolerance?" Why?

Thank you!
Rachel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
You raise some amazingly important points.<br />
>>>I think it’s even more dangerous when the powerful elected official decrying it is the subject himself of the joke. While he’s not calling for censorship, it’s dangerously close, when the person in the highest position in the state is criticizing the right of free people to say what they like.<<<</p>
<p>He has, in his haste, done a disservice on a multitude of levels. I completely agree with you Mark.   </p>
<p>We also really do need to ask &#8220;why do we immediately attribute satire to intolerance?&#8221; Why?</p>
<p>Thank you!<br />
Rachel</p>
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